A bold reimagining of economics and finance in service to life

In this conversation, John Fullerton and Sandja Brügmann explore the need for a reimagined economic and financial system that operates in service to life. The dialogue examines the concept of the polycrisis—interconnected challenges spanning climate, inequality, and systemic fragility—and the implications this has for leadership, capital allocation, and institutional design.

The conversation highlights the importance of shifting underlying worldviews—from separation towards interdependence—and the role of communication and consciousness in enabling systemic change. It explores how regenerative economics creates alignment between purpose and investment, and addresses the realities of navigating uncertainty and complexity, while maintaining orientation and momentum.


New Global Mind is a video podcast exploring leadership and strategic transition in the context of systems transformation. The series forms part of New Global Mind—an evolving field of inquiry focused on how societies, organisations, and economies adapt under conditions of complexity.

Each episode features cross-disciplinary conversations with senior leaders and experts across systems science and living systems theory, political economy and finance, human behaviour and decision systems, governance and institutional architecture, and futures literacy.

New Global Mind explores how shifts in worldview, governance, and system architecture enable fundamentally new economic, social, and ecological outcomes. Through in-depth dialogue, the podcast examines how leadership, cognition, communication, and decision-making are evolving—and clarifies practical pathways for real-world systems transition at organisational and ecosystem scale.


Curated by Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute and a synthetic strategist, the series bridges intellectual inquiry and practice. Sandja has been named a “World’s Leadership Guru” by Lederne.


About John B. Fullerton
John B. Fullerton is an American economist and investor, and founder of the Capital Institute. Following an international career at JPMorgan, where he managed global capital markets and derivatives businesses and played a role in the 1998 Long-Term Capital Management resolution, he shifted his focus toward rethinking economics and finance.

He is the author of Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Patterns and Principles Will Shape the New Economy and has been a leading voice in advancing economic systems designed to operate in service to life. Fullerton is also an impact investor, co-founder and Chairman of New Day Enterprises, PBC, and serves on the boards of several sustainability-focused initiatives.

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Takeaways

The economy is a living system, not a machine.

The polycrisis encompasses interconnected crises like climate change and inequality.

A worldview shift is necessary to address root causes of crises.

Dialogue is essential for generative conversations and understanding.

We must work on consciousness to change the systems we inhabit.

Islands of coherence can shift entire systems.

Regenerative economics is about aligning purpose with investment.

First principles of living systems guide sustainable practices.

Potential exists in all systems, but must be nurtured.

Collective rising consciousness can lead to systemic change.

 

Sound bites

“The economy is a living system, not a machine.”

“Islands of coherence can shift entire systems.”

“This is a privilege, not a burden.”

 

Chapters

00:00 A Bold Reimagination of Economics

03:10 Understanding the Polycrisis

05:04 The Myth of Separation

07:24 Worldview Shifts and Integral Age Thinking

09:59 The Challenge of Communication

12:19 Navigating Emotional Immaturity

14:29 Paradigm Shifts in Economics

17:05 Living Systems and Economic Health

19:29 Experiential Learning and Regenerative Economics

21:44 Potential and Darkness in Living Systems

30:48 The Dark Side of Algorithms

32:58 First Principles and Business Models

36:42 The State of the Global Economy

40:51 Paradigm Shifts and Collective Consciousness

43:20 Strategies for Change

47:16 Finding Joy in the Work

Links:

www.CapitalInstitute.org

Places to Intervene in a System https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/

Savory Institute https://savory.global/

Mondragon Corporation https://www.mondragon-corporation.com/en/

The Passion Institute www.ThePassionInstitute.com


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