New Global Mind #5 A bold reimagining of economics and finance in service to life with John Fullerton / Podcast /
In this conversation, John Fullerton and Sandja Brügmann explore the urgent need for a reimagined economic and financial system that serves life. They discuss the concept of the polycrisis, which encompasses interconnected crises such as climate change and inequality, and emphasize the importance of shifting worldviews from separation to unity. The dialogue highlights the necessity of effective communication, the role of consciousness in systemic change, and the potential for regenerative economics to align purpose with investment. They also address the challenges of navigating chaos and the importance of finding joy in the transformative work ahead.
New Global Mind is a video podcast exploring leadership and strategic transition for systems transformation. The series forms part of New Global Mind — an evolving field of inquiry and strategic sense‑making focused on how societies, organisations, and economies evolve under conditions of complexity.
Each episode features cross‑disciplinary conversations with senior leaders and experts across systems science and living systems theory, political economy and finance, human behaviour and decision systems, governance and institutional architecture, and futures literacy and anticipatory thinking.
New Global Mind explores how shifts in worldview, governance, and system architecture enable fundamentally new economic, social, and ecological outcomes. Through grounded, in‑depth dialogue, the podcast examines how leadership, cognition, communication, and strategic decision‑making are evolving, and clarifies practical pathways for real‑world systems transition at organisational and ecosystem scale.
Hosted by Sandja Brügmann, Founder & CEO of The Passion Institute and a synthetic strategist, the series bridges intellectual inquiry and practice. Sandja Brügmann has been named a “World’s Leadership Guru” by Lederne and is referred to by senior leaders as “The Board Whisperer.”
About John B. Fullerton is an American economist, investor, with a previous international career at JP Morgan, and author of the 2015 booklet, Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Patterns and Principles Will Shape the New Economy.
Fullerton began his financial career with JPMorgan managing numerous capital markets and derivaties businesses around the globe, and was JPMorgan’s Oversight Committee Representative that managed the rescue of Long Term Capital Management in 1998. Following his retirement from JP Morgan, in 2010, he created the Capital Institute, a think-tank on regenerative economic theory, an attempt to imagine economics and finance in service to life. An impact investor, John is the co-founder and Chairman of New Day Enterprises, PBC, the co-founder of Grasslands, LLC,[2] a on the board of several sustainability initiatives.
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Takeaways
The economy is a living system, not a machine.
The polycrisis encompasses interconnected crises like climate change and inequality.
A worldview shift is necessary to address root causes of crises.
Dialogue is essential for generative conversations and understanding.
We must work on consciousness to change the systems we inhabit.
Islands of coherence can shift entire systems.
Regenerative economics is about aligning purpose with investment.
First principles of living systems guide sustainable practices.
Potential exists in all systems, but must be nurtured.
Collective rising consciousness can lead to systemic change.
Sound bites
“The economy is a living system, not a machine.”
“Islands of coherence can shift entire systems.”
“This is a privilege, not a burden.”
Chapters
00:00 A Bold Reimagination of Economics
03:10 Understanding the Polycrisis
05:04 The Myth of Separation
07:24 Worldview Shifts and Integral Age Thinking
09:59 The Challenge of Communication
12:19 Navigating Emotional Immaturity
14:29 Paradigm Shifts in Economics
17:05 Living Systems and Economic Health
19:29 Experiential Learning and Regenerative Economics
21:44 Potential and Darkness in Living Systems
30:48 The Dark Side of Algorithms
32:58 First Principles and Business Models
36:42 The State of the Global Economy
40:51 Paradigm Shifts and Collective Consciousness
43:20 Strategies for Change
47:16 Finding Joy in the Work
Links:
Places to Intervene in a System https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/
Savory Institute https://savory.global/
Mondragon Corporation https://www.mondragon-corporation.com/en/
The Passion Institute www.ThePassionInstitute.com
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