If everyone had to think outside the box, maybe it was the box that needed fixing.” — Malcolm Gladwell, What the Dog Saw

Holacracy is a structured system for self-management designed for organisations operating in conditions of rapid change. It replaces traditional hierarchy with a distributed governance model that increases transparency, accountability, and organisational agility.

Adopted by a growing number of organisations — including Zappos and others — Holacracy addresses a central question: what prevents people from working together as effectively as possible?

In this conversation, I sit down with Brian Robertson, founder of Holacracy, to explore how organisations can redesign structure, decision-making, and authority to better reflect the complexity of the systems they operate within.